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This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2017 GPK Adam-Geddon. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

In the first post we looked at how many packs/boxes/cases were produced of 2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. Here’s a review of what we came up with.

• Total Production – 459,000 Packs
• Collector – 36,000 Collector Packs or 1500 Hobby Boxes or 187 Collector Cases
• Retail/Hobby – 423,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

I’ll be using these numbers to try to come up with an idea how many of each type of parallel and insert were created for the set. This will give you a good idea how rare a set is and how quickly you need to snap up that card for your rainbow! I’ll also compare some of this info to the previous sets for reference. As a reminder in addition to using the sell sheet and odds, we will also have to make some assumptions  and flat out guesses when trying to figure some of these out.

So how many of each type of card was made? We can’t figured it out for every type of insert or parallel. Some card types we don’t have enough information. Other times however, Topps is nice enough to tell us exactly how many of a card was produced. Like previous sets, Topps has continued to number many card types. This means we already know most of the parallel and insert numbers already! Makes this post a lot easier! We know Spit /99, Bloody /75, and Fool’s Gold /50 for the parallels, and Patches /50 and Autos /25 for the insert sets!

Still there are some things we just can’t determine. Topps has made it tough on us in recent releases. They no longer share a lot of information on the sell sheets for insertion numbers. This means we can not figure out each different retail pack type. Therefore, there are many retail items that we are unable to determine the production on. For example, the Yellow Pee borders. Since there is no way to break out the number of gravity feed packs from the other retail packs, we can not determine how many Pee borders were made. This also true for the various retail bonus sets; Classic Adamgeddon, Gross Bears, and Bathroom Buddies. However, with production down 28% compared to Prime Slime, there will be a lot less of these sets. The lack of retail breakdown also means we can not determine how many Loaded Sketches or Panoramic Sketches were inserted into packs.

Let’s discuss what we can figure out.

While we can’t figure out the Yellow Pee parallel, we can determine how many of the other two non-numbered parallels were made. We can also find out how many of the Best of the Presidential Election bonus inserts were made.

• Bruised Borders – 36,000 Collector packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 36,000 total Bruised borders / 180 cards in set = 200 per card.
• Puke Borders – 423,000 Retail packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 423,000 total Puke borders / 180 cards in set = 2,350 per card.
• Best of Presidential – 36,000 Collector packs  / 24 Odds = 1500 total cards / 10 in set = 150 of each card made.

Some very interesting things to point out in those numbers. Because there are 1000 more Collector packs compared to Prime Slime, there are actually more Bruised cards this time. However due to production cuts in retail there are now less Puke cards. Perhaps the biggest different is in the Best of Presidential “Bonus” cards. In previous sets you would get one card per Collector & Hobby box. With Topps chasing Hobby boxes to match retail the cards were only available in Collector boxes this time. That means more than a 40% cut in available bonus sets with this release. There can only be 150 Bonus sets possible this time. These cards might dry up quickly.

One thing I always find interesting is to determine what pack types the printing plates and artist autographs are hiding? Retail always had the majority of the plates because over 80% of the production is retail. We know Topps inserted 360 plates into the production, so here is the breakdown of how many can be found in each pack type.

• Collector Plates – 36,000 packs / 1062 odds = 34 plates in Collector packs
• Retail/Hobby Plates – 423,000 packs / 1073 odds = 394 plates in Retail packs
• Collector Autos – 36,000 packs / 168 odds = 214 autos in Collector packs
• Retail/Hobby Autos – 423,000 packs / 168 odds = 2517 in Retail/Hobby packs

First an explanation on why the numbers for each are higher that they should be. If you remember back in Part 1 of our discussion, I talked about Topps chasing the odds on Jumbo Retail packs this year. Previously the odds would be halved on everything for Jumbo packs, therefore a Jumbo pack would count as 2 packs. However, this time for Plates and Autos that is not the case. Our pack number of 423,000 assumes Jumbos as 2 packs, this is why the numbers come out a little bit more. I think the main thing to point out here is plates will be few and far between in Collector boxes, this is a change from previous releases where they fell at a much higher rate.

Topps has continued their practice of not revealing how many total sketches of each type are inserted into packs. While we can’t figure out all sketch types, there is a few we can determine based on odds.

Shaped Sketches – 36,000 Collector packs / 178 odds = 202 Shaped Sketches in Collector packs.
Regular Sketches – 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs / 326 odds = 1297 Regular Sketches in Retail/Hobby packs
Dial Artist Panoramic – 36,000 Collector packs / 694 odds = 52 Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches in Collector packs.

A couple of things stand out right away. Hobby boxes no longer contain Shaped Sketches, therefore there is more than 60% fewer Shaped sketches in this release. Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches are cut by almost 50% compared to Prime Slime. This matches information shared by the artists when they began drawing the sketches. They were giving far less to draw for this release.

Looking at the numbers for Adam-Geddon really tells a story, but also leaves many unanswered questions. Production was cut way back compared to recent sets. Is interest falling in retail GPK sets? Or is this just distributors over correcting because of over ordering on Prime Slime? Topps has yet to announce the next retail GPK set. It will be interesting to see how the smaller set size coupled with the lower print run affects the next GPK set.

Finally, can we figure out how many base cards were produced? Not really, but we can use what we know and give it our best guess! We know Collector packs have 6 base cards per pack now, except for packs containing patches, but that number is so small we will go with 6. Retail/Hobby packs 7 base cards per pack this time around, except for packs containing gold dust, autos, sketches, and plates, but again that number is so small I’m going to go with 7 per pack.

Base Cards – (36,000 Collector packs X 6 cards per pack) + (423,000 Retail/Hobby packs X 7 cards per pack) = 3,177,000 Total Base Cards produced / 180 cards per set = 17,650 Total of each base card.

While that’s a ton, its down from over 25,000 of each Prime Slime card. Get those sets while you can!!!

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2017 GPK Adam-Geddon. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2017 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. Click here for Part 2.

Topps closed out 2016 with a retail Garbage Pail Kids set that was produced in higher numbers than recent sets. The TV show theme didn’t always resonate either, as many complaints came in with collectors not understanding the gags. Throughout the last 10 months, Topps has also gone full steam ahead with various GPK online exclusives. Collectors did seem to be a little more excited when the theme of the first set of 2017 was released. Would the new Adam-Geddon theme with classic characters propel the new set to higher production? Or would over-production and collector apathy result in lower demand? I’m going to attempt to answer those questions in this two part series on the Adam-Geddon production. While Topps has kept a similar format as the previous releases, they still made some pretty major changes this time around. Some of those changes unfortunately makes it even harder to break down specific production numbers. Let’s see what we can actually figure out.

First my disclaimer! Production numbers are never an exact science, and Topps makes it tough on us. In order to attempt to solve this riddle we need to look very closely at the clues in both the odds and the sell sheets. Some things to keep in mind for this post. 1) Topps doesn’t want the public to know exactly how much of each card was made. Why? No idea really, I think its dumb, but historically Topps only provides enough information to get close. 2) We need to make some assumptions. Those assumptions will be based on the clues we have, but still some guessing has to happen. 3) The odds never quite seem to come out completely equal. However we can round and get pretty close to how much was produced. 4) Topps changes what is printed from what the sell sheet says all the time. This will throw off all our numbers. 5) Keep in mind Topps historically holds back 5% of the print run to cover missing hits, damaged cards, and their No Purchase Necessary program. These numbers would include that 5%. With all that in mind let’s get started…(Warning lots of math coming up. If you don’t want to hear about the process, skip to the bottom for the answer sheet!)

First we need to figure out how many packs were made for the entire print run. In order to do that we need to use a card type where all the odds are exactly the same in Hobby, Collector, and Retail packs. Once again there is only one card type that fits that description in this set, the Fool’s Gold borders, at 1:51. Here is what we know, there are 180 cards in the set. Fool’s Gold cards are numbered on the back to /50. Therefore, 180 cards X 50 number of golds per card = 9,000 total Fool’s Gold cards X 51 odds = 459,000 total packs made for the release. This is our first stop along the way where things could go wrong. There is only one card type shared across all pack types with similar odds. As you’ll see in a later discussion, while Autos and Plates are also shared across each pack type, Topps has drastically changed the odds on Jumbo Retail packs, therefore throwing off the numbers. We have to use what we have available to us. I believe this is a good starting point, and gets us on the path to more information.

Now let’s try to figure out how many of each pack type was created for this release. Collector packs are always the easiest to figure out because they always contain cards that are exclusively made for the set. This time there is one type of insert and two parallels that are exclusive to Collector boxes, and are numbered on the back.

• Patch Cards – 20 cards in set X 50 made per card = 1000 total patches X 36 odds = 36,000 Collector packs made
• Bloody Red Border – 180 cards in set X 75 made per card = 13,500 total Bloody borders X 3 odds = 40,500 Collector packs made
• Spit Blue Border – 180 cards in set X 99 made per card = 17,820 total Spit borders X 2 odds = 35,640 Collector packs made

The numbers are very close for two types, but off on the Bloody borders. Here’s why I think they are off. The actual odds for Bloody borders are probably lower than 1:3, but Topps rounds up on the packs. I’m willing to bet most collectors will average more than 8 Bloody borders per collector box, early box results show most boxes with 9 reds. I believe this gives us a good number of Collector packs. I’m going to go with 36,000 for our purposes throughout the rest of our discussion.

Now let’s move onto Hobby packs. Darn you Topps! This was one of the major changes Topps made in the configuration of the product this year. Hobby packs are basically Retail packs now. There is nothing to distinguish a Hobby pack from a basic Retail pack. In previous releases we could use a card type that Hobby and Collector packs shared, that we also knew the print run of. Since that no longer exists, and we can’t tell the difference in packs, there is no way to determine how many Hobby packs were produced. While this is frustrating, it won’t stop our quest! For the rest of our discussion I will combine Hobby packs into Retail packs.

We know we have 36,000 Collector packs. So how many Retail/Hobby packs do we have? 459,000 total packs – 36,000 Collector packs = 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs. While that’s a lot of packs, is significantly less than previous releases. One way I use to be able to double check my numbers was to use another card type that is in all pack types, where we know the print run. There are two types that fit that description, Autos and Plates. Let’s looks at the numbers for both types.

• 90 autos in set * 25 print run = 2,250 total autos * 168 odds = 378,000 total packs
• 360 total plates * 1070 Avg. odds = 385,000 total packs

What a second….that’s a lot less total packs than what we came up with earlier. We can’t use these numbers because of another change Topps made on the odds. In previous releases the Jumbo Retail packs counted as 2 regular packs. All the odds on Jumbo packs would be exactly half of a regular pack. So it made it very easy to just count each Jumbo pack as 2 packs. With Adam-Geddon only Fool’s Gold and Sketch cards have the odds halved. The Plate and Auto odds are the same as other retail packs. That tells us plates and autos will be much harder to pull in Jumbo retail than regular retail packs. It also explains why the total pack numbers are lower when we use these numbers above. Its only counting the Jumbo packs as 1 pack, which makes sense based on the odds.

That leaves us with 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs. We can however deduce from the number above there is right around 45,000 Jumbo packs produced. We aren’t however able to break down the pack distribution any further with this series. We don’t know the total print run of the various sketch types. Those are the only other different card type inserted into packs. So the best we can do is come up with a total retail pack number of 423,000.

Here’s what I believe the total production numbers to be for Adam-Geddon:

• Total Production – 459,000 Packs
• Collector – 36,000 Collector Packs or 1500 Hobby Boxes or 187 Collector Cases
• Retail/Hobby – 423,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

(Once again my numbers could be off. We had to make some assumptions and trust the sell sheets and odds. But I’m confident these numbers are really close.)

So what does this all mean? Production is way down compared to the previous set, Prime Slime Trashy TV. This looks to be the lowest set produced since I started running the numbers. Take a look at the last three sets and the production numbers:

• Total Pack Production
  • Apple Pie – 484,000
  • Trashy TV – 638,000
  • Adam-Geddon – 459,000 (28% decrease in total overall production vs. Trashy TV)
• Collector Pack Production
  • Apple Pie – 36,500
  • Trashy TV – 35,000
  • Adam-Geddon – 36,000 (3% increase vs. Trashy TV)
• Retail Pack Production
  • Apple Pie – 408,500
  • Trashy TV – 550,000
  • Adam-Geddon (Includes Hobby packs) – 423,000 (23% decrease vs. Trashy TV, that includes hobby packs added in)

Topps prints to order their product. Which means based on distributor pre-orders, Topps decides how much product to produce. The numbers tell me this set was under ordered compared to previous releases. It shows collectors continue to purchase Collector cases in similar numbers. However, retail orders appear to be down significantly from previous sets. Topps made other changes as well that affects the print run. The base set is almost 20% smaller than previous sets. Topps also changed the number of cards in a pack, to 8 across the board. As you will see in part two all this changes how many of each card type exists.

All fun stuff to think about as you bust into those new packs! Let me know your thoughts on the numbers in the comments!

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2017 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. In Part 2 we will look at production numbers for all parallel and insert sets. Part 2 can be found here.