How Many 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Were Produced? Part 2

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

In the first post we looked at how many packs/boxes/cases were produced of 2019S1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s. Here’s a review of what we came up with.

  • Total Production – 473,000 Packs
  • Collector – 50,000 Collector Packs or about 2,083 Hobby Boxes or about 260 Collector Cases
  • Blaster – 160,000 Blaster Packs or 32,000 Blaster boxes or 2,000 Blaster cases
  • Fat Packs – 110,000 Fat Packs or 1,018 Fat Pack cases
  • Retai Display – 43,000 Packs or 1791 Retail Display boxes or 224 Retail Display cases

I’ll be using these numbers to try to come up with an idea how many of each type of parallel and insert were created for the set. This will give you a good idea how rare a set is and how quickly you need to snap up that card for your rainbow! I’ll also compare some of this info to the previous sets for reference. As a reminder, in addition to using the sell sheet and odds, we will also have to make some assumptions and flat out guesses when trying to figure some of these out.

So how many of each type of card was made? We can’t figure it out for every type of insert or parallel. Some card types we don’t have enough information. Other times however, Topps is nice enough to tell us exactly how many of a card was produced. Like previous sets, Topps has continued to number many card types. This means we already know most of the parallel and insert numbers already! Makes this post a lot easier! We know Spit /99, Bloody /75, and Fool’s Gold /50 for the parallels, and Patches /50 and Autos /25 for the insert sets!

For previous sets there were always some card types we couldn’t determine production on. In the past we’ve never been able to break down the production of various retail pack types. However, with this series we did this in Part 1. We took the information from artists and the odds to come up with retail pack production. The numbers look close, and pass the logic test. Therefore, for the first time I’m going to take a crack at figuring out Yellow Phlegm, Purple Jelly, and the various retail insert set’s print runs.

First let’s figure out production for the various parallels.

  • Bruised Borders – 50,000 Collector packs / 1 Odds (doh) = 50,000 total Bruised borders / 220 cards in set = 227 per card.
  • Puke Borders – 423,000 Retail packs / 1 Odds (doh) = 423,000 total Puke borders / 220 cards in set = 1922 per card.
  • Jelly Borders – 110,000 Fat Packs / 1 Odds (doh) = 110,000 total Jelly borders / 220 cards in set = 500 per card
  • Phlegm Borders – 43,000 Retail’s Display packs / 4 Odds = 10,750 total Phlegm borders / 220 cards in set = 49 per card

A lot of interesting information here. I believe these numbers help show our retail pack production numbers make sense. For this set, it looks like yellow borders are right around 50 per card. This puts them at the same rareness as the Gold borders. Is this the case for previous sets? No way! Because the yellow parallels only appear in Retail Display packs this time, there are the fewest available of any set to date. So how many yellow borders were in the previous sets? Using our production numbers for this set as a guide, I’m willing to estimate previous sets had a 150-200 per yellow border print run. Jelly borders at 500 per card also make a lot of sense. You’ll notice Bruised set production is down quite a bit from the Oh the Horror-ible set. This is because production was both smaller for Collector boxes, and Topps increased the set size. Puke borders come in right around the same because the increased retail production makes up for the increased set size.

Now let’s take a look at the various insert sets.

  • Wax Pack Parodies – 50,000 Collector packs / 24 odds = 2,083 total Wax Parodies / 10 cards in set = 208 per card
  • Wacky Pails – 110,000 Fat packs * 2 per pack = 220,000 total Wacky Pails / 20 cards in set = 11,000 per card
  • Bathroom Buddies – 32,000 Blaster Boxes * 3 per box = 96,000 total Bathroom Buddies / 8 cards in set = 12,000 per card
  • Classic 90’s – 43,000 Retail Display packs / 3 odds = 14,333 total Classic 90’s / 20 cards in set = 716 per card

Again this is the first time we’ve been able to try to figure out the print run of the various retail inserts. Classic 90’s are a small fraction of both the Wacky Pails and Bathroom Buddies based completely on pack type production. The Collector only Wax Pack Parodies are down quite a bit compared to the previous set due to lower Collector production.

One thing I like taking a look at each set is where all the printing plates are hiding. Historically, retail has the majority of the printing plates because it accounts for over 80% of the print run. One other thing these numbers will tell us is how close we are to having correct retail pack production numbers. We know Topps inserted 440 plates into production. Here is the breakdown of how many can be found in each pack type.

  • Collector Plates – 50,000 packs / 559 odds = 89 plates in Collector packs
  • Fat Pack Plates – 110,000 packs / 402 odds = 273 plates in Fat Pack packs
  • Blaster Plates – 160,000 packs / 1208 odds = 132 plates in Blaster packs
  • Retail Display Plates – 43,000 packs / 1221 odds = 35 plates in Retail Display packs

Right away you’ll notice the number of plates available in Collector packs is down sharply compared to the previous release. Topps raised the odds considerable on the newest set for plates. Secondly, if you add up all the plate numbers you get 529 total plates. We know that number is high. However, its in the ballpark. Which once again shows we are on the right track with our retail production numbers. Sure they are off a little bit, but considering Topps printed the incorrect odds for parallels on the packs, who’s to say the printing plate odds are correct as well. If you are plate hunting this set, Fat Packs look to be your best bet!

Topps is currently in a transition with their GPK brand. Without gravity feed boxes, Topps continues to try to find the right combination of retail pack production and insertion rates that work for retailers and collectors. Production was up this time around, due completely to higher retail orders. In fact this is the highest produced GPK set since Adam-Geddon. Can Topps keep this momentum as we head into later parts of 2019? Will collector apathy towards the new set cause lower production numbers for the 2019S2 set? Or will the theme and possible changes to the next set result in renewed collector interest? These will be things to keep your eyes on for the rest of 2019.

Finally, can we figure out how many base cards were produced? Not really, but we can use what we know and give it our best guess! We know Collector packs have 6 base cards per pack now, except for packs containing patches, but that number is so small we will go with 6. Retail/Hobby packs 7 base cards per pack this time around, except for packs containing gold dust, autos, sketches, and plates, but again that number is so small I’m going to go with 7 per pack.

Base Cards – (50,000 Collector packs X 6 cards per pack) + (423,000 Retail/Hobby packs X 7 cards per pack) = 3,261,000 Total Base Cards produced / 220 cards per set = 14,822 Total of each base card.

Once again the increase in set size has caused a slight dip in the total number of available base sets. Don’t delay you only have 14,000 chances to relive the 90’s!

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’sIf you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

How Many 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Cards Were Produced? Part 1

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2019 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s. Part 2 will be posting soon.

Coming off a highly successful 2018S2 Oh the Horror-ible set, Topps is following up with a sequel of sorts. This time Garbage Pail Kids are taking on the 90’s. Going into the set, collectors seemed to be apathetic towards the new offering. Would those feelings reflect in the production numbers? Once again Topps cancelled Target Gravity Feed boxes a week after offering them. This marks the second series in a row with no gravity feeds. Let’s delve into the numbers and see where this set ranks in terms of production.

First my disclaimer! Production numbers are never an exact science, and Topps makes it tough on us. In order to attempt to solve this riddle we need to look very closely at the clues in both the odds and the sell sheets. Some things to keep in mind for this post. 1) Topps doesn’t want the public to know exactly how much of each card was made. Why? No idea really, I think its dumb, but historically Topps only provides enough information to get close. 2) We need to make some assumptions. Those assumptions will be based on the clues we have, but still some guessing has to happen. 3) The odds never quite seem to come out completely equal. However, we can round and get pretty close to how much was produced. 4) Topps changes what is printed from what the sell sheet says all the time. This will throw off all our numbers. 5) Keep in mind Topps historically holds back up to 5% of the print run to cover missing hits, damaged cards, and their No Purchase Necessary program. These numbers would include that 5%. With all that in mind let’s get started…(Warning lots of math coming up. If you don’t want to read about the process, skip to the bottom for the answer sheet!)

To start we need to determine how many packs were made for the entire print run. In order to do that we need a card type where all the odds are exactly the same in Collector and Retail/Hobby packs. In the past this was easy. Historically, Topps has used the same exact odds for both the Gold borders and the Artist autographs. With this set there are all kinds of problems with the odds printed in the packs. First off, odds for the parallels are at least overstated by double. This has happen before on GPK packs. This is especially true with the Gold borders. Based on actual pulls coming from multiple cases, I’m confident in saying golds are falling at twice the rate of the odds in Blaster, Hobby, and Collector packs. Fat packs is another story. The odds might be overstated by as much as 4 times, based on actual pulls from cases. If you take the odds and correct them, it puts production in line with the previous set, which makes more sense. Going forward in this article I will be citing the parallels odds 1/2 of what’s printed on the packs. For Fat Packs I will double the corrected odds to more closely align them with other retail packs, since they are roughly equal to two packs. However, this does make the odds off a bit, as fat pack odds are slightly easier than retail odds. This means production numbers are actually a little less than what’s stated in the article. It’s not a lot, but the numbers will be off.

Gold borders this time are set at 1:43 packs in Collector, Retail, and Blaster packs. The exception is Fat Pack retail packs, at 1:19, if we double those we still only get 1:38, which is slightly less that it should be. I will use the 1:43 number. There are 220 base cards in the set, and Gold borders are /50 on the back. Therefore, 220 X 50 number of golds per card = 11,000 total Gold borders X 43 odds = 473,000 total packs made for release. Interesting, it appears that production might be slightly up for this release.

Can we be sure about 473,000 packs being made? We use to be able to double check by using Artist Autographs. However, this series the odds for autos are different across the board, and like with parallels I’m not completely convinced they are accurate. I don’t have enough data to show otherwise. We also can’t use plates for the same reason. We are going to go with the 473,000 as total number of packs. I think its the right number, and other calculations in the article show its a logical choice.

Next we need to try to figure out how many of each pack type was created for the set. Collector packs are always easier to figure out because they have the cards that are exclusive to the set. We need card types that are only in Collector packs, and we know already how many were made. Once again there are three types, Patches, Bloody Red borders, and Spit Blue borders. Here’s what the math looks like on those:

  • Patch Cards – 20 cards in set X 50 made per card = 1000 total patches x 50 odds = 50,000 Collector packs made
  • Bloody Red borders – 220 cards in set X 75 made per card = 16,500 total Red borders X 3 odds = 49,500 Collector packs made
  • Spit Blue borders – 220 cards in set X 99 made per card = 21,780 total Blue borders X 2.5 odds = 54,450 Collector packs made

Once again Collector boxes are pretty easy to figure out. Sure the blue borders show a few more packs, but quite often the odds are rounded and not exact. That could account for the difference. It looks like its safe to assume 50,000 Collector packs were made. This shows a decrease in production for Collector packs. It makes sense, collectors were hyped for the Horror-ible series, not quite as much for this one. That shows in the production numbers. However, one important thing to note is that production is higher overall than most other recent sets.

How about other pack types? Once again Hobby boxes are nonexistent, and exist in name only. Starting with Adam-Geddon Topps has made Hobby boxes the same as Regular Retail Display boxes. There are no longer any marks on the packs or boxes that distinguish a Hobby box vs. a Retail display box. Also, the odds are exactly the same. In order to determine how many different types of retail packs were made, we would need a card type that is only in one type of retail pack, and we know how many were made. In the past this has been near impossible. However, this time I’m going to give it a shot. The only card types that are individual to retail packs are Loaded Sketches and Panoramic Sketches. While Topps doesn’t release the number of sketches inserted, we have a good idea. Sketch artists were asked to do 5 Loaded and 3 Panoramic sketches. We also know, based on Topps checklist, that were were 56 sketch artists this series. In the past a multitude of factors didn’t allow me to use these numbers. Some times artists didn’t complete their sketches, or many were rejected by Topps, or Topps’ odds were just way off what makes sense. After running the numbers using the odds, and what we know about the sketches, the numbers look to match up. Let’s take a look.

  • Loaded sketches – 56 artists * 5 sketches each = 280 total Loaded sketches * 114 odds per box = 31,920 Blaster boxes * 5 packs per box = 159,600 blaster packs
  • Panoramic sketches – 56 artists * 3 sketches each = 168 total pano sketches * 656 odds = 110,208 Fat packs

Keep in mind for our calculations we count a fat pack as 2 retail packs. Therefore, for Fat packs we would use 220,416 as the number. I’m going to round that down to 220,000 for our calculations. I’m also going to round the Blaster pack number to 160,000.

We know there are 50,000 Collector packs. If total packs are 473,000 – 50,000 Collector packs = 423,000 retail packs. Let’s take it even further. 423,000 retail packs – 160,000 blaster packs – 220,000 Fat packs = 43,000 Hobby/Retail Display packs. Those seem like very plausible numbers. Is there a way to check those? Let’s use regular sketches. The odds for regular sketches very slightly. Blasters are 1:256, while Fat packs and Retail Display are both listed as 1:279. While the calculations won’t be accurate because of the variances, the numbers get close. 56 artists * 30 regular sketches each = 1680 total sketches * 279 odds = 468,720 retail packs. if you take out collector packs, and 1/2 the fat packs from that number, then add back in packs for the blaster odds being easier, the numbers are in the ballpark. When you think about it, the number make sense. Very few Hobby/Retail Display boxes, compared to all the blasters and fat packs available.

What do the numbers tell us? You will need to take some of these numbers, especially the retail breakdown, with a grain of salt. We had to make some assumptions and a leap of faith in the odds printed on the packs, which we know Topps isn’t accurate all the time. Tryptych sketch odds don’t even show up on Collector packs, instead Topps listed odds for Dual Artist Pano sketches, which don’t exist in the product! However, I think it’s safe to assume 473,000 as total pack production, and 50,000 as the Collector production.

Here’s what I believe the total production numbers to be for We Hate the 90’s:

  • Total Production – 473,000 Packs
  • Collector – 50,000 Collector Packs or about 2,083 Hobby Boxes or about 260 Collector Cases
  • Blaster – 160,000 Blaster Packs or 32,000 Blaster boxes or 2,000 Blaster cases
  • Fat Packs – 110,000 Fat Packs or 1,018 Fat Pack cases
  • Retai Display – 43,000 Packs or 1791 Retail Display boxes or 224 Retail Display cases

Really interesting story for Topps this time around. Collector production is down. Makes sense because collectors liked the horror theme better, and didn’t order as much of We Hate the 90’s. Retail production however is up. That also makes sense. Retail is reactionary. They saw good sales of Oh the Horror-ible, so they ordered more of We Hate the 90’s. Production overall being up can’t be a bad thing for the brand. Let’s see where We Hate the 90’s stacks up against other recent sets.

  • Total Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 638,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 459,000
    • Battle of the Bands – 441,000
    • We Hate the 80’s – 439,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 440,000
    • We Hate the 90’s – 473,000 (7% increase in production vs. Oh the Horror-ible)
  • Collector Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 35,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 36,000
    • Battle of the Bands – 41,000
    • We Hate the 80’s – 39,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 60,000
    • We Hate the 90’s – 50,000 (17% decrease in Collector production vs. Oh the Horror-ible)
  • Retail Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 550,000
    • Adam-Geddon (Includes Hobby packs) – 423,000
    • Battle of the Bands (Includes Hobby packs) – 400,000
    • We Hate the 80’s (Includes Hobby packs) – 393,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 380,000
    • We Hate the 90’s – 423,000 (10.2% increase in Retail/Hobby production vs. Oh the Horror-ible)

Topps prints to order their product. Which means based on distributor pre-orders, Topps decides how much product to produce. As mentioned earlier overall production is up for We hate the 90’s. in fact it’s the largest produced set since Trashy TV. This is due to retail production. It will be fascinating to see what happens on the next GPK set later this year. Collector demand has not been as high for the newest set. Will that result in reactionary retail orders, and therefore lower production? Based on the next theme will Collectors purchase higher amounts? Really interesting to follow as the brand evolves.

This practice is always a lot of fun to look at. Let me know your thoughts on the numbers in the comments!

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2019S1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s. In Part 2 we will look at production numbers for all parallel and insert sets. Part 2 will be posted soon.

2019 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s Explained

It seems just like yesterday we were busting into packs of Oh the Horror-ible. It’s been 4 months since the last retail release. Topps is back with 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s. The newest set from Topps is a sequel of sorts from their popular set from last year on the 80’s. This time all the cards are based off of popular culture items from the 1990’s. Collectors really enjoyed both sets last year in 2018. Will collectors enjoy the first set of 2019 as much? Topps is again sticking to the same formula they have for the last few years. The base set is broken down into 9 themes this time, and has been increased to 220 cards. This matches some of the sets from a few years ago for highest number of base cards. I will have articles coming in the next few days looking at production numbers. However, one important thing to take note of, odds for the parallels appear to be inflated by double or more. To see the official Topps checklist click here. For now here is what you can find, and where you can find it in 2019 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s.

(Note: I will continue to update this post as new information comes to light and any new parallels/inserts are found.)

  • Base Set – 220 total cards made up of 9 different subsets.
    • 90’s Cartoon & Comics Sticker (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • 90’s Fads Sticker (10a/b – 20 cards)
    • 90’s Fashion Sticker (9a/b – 18 cards)
    • 90’s Films Sticker (20a/b – 40 cards)
    • 90’s Music & Celebrities Sticker (8a/b – 16 cards)
    • 90’s Politics & News Sticker (9a/b – 18 cards)
    • 90’s Toys Sticker (18a/b – 36 cards)
    • 90’s TV Sticker (20a/b – 40 cards)
    • 90’s Video Games Sticker (6a/b – 12 cards)
  • Parallel Sets – Same exact cards from the Base set, except with a different speckled color border.
    • Bruised Border (Dark Blue/Black) – 1:1 – Collector (220 Cards)
    • Spit Border (Light Blue) /99 – 1:5 – Collector (220 Cards)
    • Bloody Nose Border (Red) /75 – 1:6 – Collector (220 Cards)
    • Fool’s Gold Border (Gold) /50 – 1:87 – Retail/Hobby/Collector, 1:76 Retail Fat Packs (220 Cards)
    • Puke Border (Green) – 1:1 – Retail/Hobby (220 Cards)
    • Jelly Border (Purple) – 1:1 – Retail Fat Packs (220 Cards)
    • Phlegm Border (Yellow) – 1:8 – Retail/Hobby Packs (220 Cards)
    • Printing Plates – 1:559 Collector, 1:1208 Blaster, 1:1221 Hobby/Retail, 1:402 Retail Fat Packs (440 Total Plates – 4 per card artwork)
  • Insert Sets – All the various insert subsets that can be found in packs.
    • 90’s Wax Pack Parodies – 1:24 – Collector (10 Cards)
    • Classic 90’s Stickers – 1:3 – Retail/Hobby (10a/b – 20 Cards)
    • Wacky Pails – 2 Per Retail Fat Pack (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Bathroom Buddies – 3 Per Blaster Box (19-22a/b – 8 Total Cards)
    • Patch Card /50 – 1:50 – Collector (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Artist Autograph /25 – 1:89 Collector, 1:190 Hobby/Retail/Blaster, 1:64 Retail Fat Packs (110 Total Cards – 1 per card artwork)
    • Sketch Card – 1:279 Hobby/Retail/Fat Packs, 1:256 Blaster, (56 Artists)
    • Shaped Sketch – 1:160 – Collector (56 Artists)
    • Triptych Sketch – 1:480 – Collector (56 Artists)
    • Loaded Sketch – 1:114 – Blaster Box (56 Artists)
    • Panoramic Sketch Cards – 1:656 – Retail Fat Packs (56 Artists)

Collector Pack Odds for 2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s

Happy Release Day! Today is the official release day for 2019 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s. Target jumped the gun on putting retail packs on the shelves last week. Today many hobby shops and online dealers will have Collector boxes available for sale. Thanks to GPK collector Ke We and ebay seller cardgarys for sending along the odds on the packs. When looking at these take note of some errors. 1) Topps has odds listed Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches on the packs. There are no dual artist panos in this set. They did however leave off the Tryptych sketches. I’m guessing the listed odds should be for those. 2) It also appears the odds for the parallels are overstated at least by double. More information is needed to confirm, but much like the listed odds on the retail packs, parallels are falling at a higher rate than stated. I’ll have much more on that and production numbers in upcoming articles. Here are the Collector pack odds.

2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Collector Pack Odds

  • Spit 1:5
  • Bloody Nose 1:6
  • Fools Gold 1:87
  • Printing Plate 1:559
  • Artist Autograph 1:89
  • 90’s Wax Pack Parodies 1:24
  • Patch Card 1:50
  • Shaped Sketch 1:160
  • Dual Artist Panoramic Sketch (Tryptych) 1:480

Retail Pack Odds for 2019S1 GPK We hate the 90’s

Updated 1/12: Added below are also the odds for Retail Display boxes. These 24 pack boxes are also marketed by Topps as Hobby boxes. Two important updates based in early observations:

  1. Yellow Phlegm borders are in the product. After being in the Blasters in Oh the Horror-ible, this time around they are in the Retail Display packs.
  2. The odds, especially for parallels, and perhaps other hits, appear to be overstated by double. For example the Yellow Phlegm borders are listed as 1:8 packs. However, in my first box, I pulled 6 yellows. Meaning the real odds would be 1:4. This makes the hugely overstated odds for Gold borders make a lot more sense. If you cut them in half it puts the odds in line with the previous release.

I’ll have a lot of observations on odds and production numbers in future articles. In the meantime scroll dow not see the odds for the Retail Display/Hobby boxes.

Original article:

It might still be five days before official release date, but collectors have started finding retail packs of 2019 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids We Hate the 90’s in stores. Multiple collectors have reported that Target stores in their area have stocked and sold them both Jumbo Fat packs and Blaster boxes. Thanks to GPK collector Ken Reese and ebay seller dbn077 for sending along pictures of the pack odds.

Once again there are no Target Gravity Feed boxes of the new series available. It appears the odds are a little all over the place on the new series. Usually the odds for Jumbo Fat packs are about 1/2 of a blaster back since they contains double the base cards. That is not the case this time. In addition the odds for most of the hits are considerably harder than previous releases. For example compared to Oh the Horror-ible, gold border odds are double for blasters and almost 4x higher on fat packs. Sketch odds are 3x higher on fat packs, but fairly close on blaster packs. Artist autos are also double on blasters, but only slighter higher on fat packs. This would usually indicate that production would be way up. However, there is one key thing to look at. Blasters are the only packs to come with Loaded Sketches, and fat packs are the only pack to come with Panoramic sketches. The odds for those compared to the last series are not that far off. In fact odds for pano sketches are actually easier, while loaded sketches have slightly harder odds. Does this mean Topps put all the hits into Collector and Hobby/Retail display boxes? Or are the listed odds not correct? We will have to wait to find out until those other pack types hit the streets.

One other important note. There are no Yellow Phlegm border odds listed on blaster packs. Also, based on feedback from collectors that have opened packs, they are not pulling them. Did Topps remove the yellow parallel from the set?

I’ll have my usual rundown of the production numbers in the coming days once all pack odds are in. In the meantime here are the odds for Blaster and Jumbo Fat packs.

2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Blaster Pack/Box Odds

  • Fools Gold 1:87
  • Printing Plate 1:1208
  • Artist Autograph 1:190
  • Regular Sketch 1:256
  • Loaded Puzzle Sketch 1:114 (Blaster Boxes)

2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Fat Pack Retail Odds

  • Fools Gold 1:76
  • Printing Plate 1:402
  • Artist Autograph 1:64
  • Regular Sketch 1:279
  • Panoramic Sketch 1:656

2019S1 GPK We Hate the 90’s Retail Display Odds

  • Phlegm 1:8
  • Fools Gold 1:87
  • Printing Plate 1:1221
  • Artist Autograph 1:190
  • Classic 90’s 1:3
  • Regular Sketch 1:279

How Many 2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Cards Were Produced? Part 2

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

In the first post we looked at how many packs/boxes/cases were produced of 2018S2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible. Here’s a review of what we came up with.

  • Total Production – 440,000 Packs
  • Collector – 60,000 Collector Packs or about 2,500 Hobby Boxes or about 312 Collector Cases
  • Retail/Hobby – 380,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

I’ll be using these numbers to try to come up with an idea how many of each type of parallel and insert were created for the set. This will give you a good idea how rare a set is and how quickly you need to snap up that card for your rainbow! I’ll also compare some of this info to the previous sets for reference. As a reminder, in addition to using the sell sheet and odds, we will also have to make some assumptions and flat out guesses when trying to figure some of these out.

So how many of each type of card was made? We can’t figure it out for every type of insert or parallel. Some card types we don’t have enough information. Other times however, Topps is nice enough to tell us exactly how many of a card was produced. Like previous sets, Topps has continued to number many card types. This means we already know most of the parallel and insert numbers already! Makes this post a lot easier! We know Spit /99, Bloody /75, and Fool’s Gold /50 for the parallels, and Patches /50 and Autos /25 for the insert sets!

Still there are some things we just can’t determine. Topps has made it tough on us in recent releases. They no longer share a lot of information on the sell sheets for insertion numbers. This means we can not figure out each different retail pack type. Therefore, there are many retail items that we are unable to determine the production on. For example, the Yellow Phlegm borders. Since there is no way to break out the number of gravity feed packs from the other retail packs, we can not determine how many Phlegm borders were made. Same scenario applies to the new Jelly Purple parallels. This also true for the various retail bonus sets; Classic Monsters (Fat Pack Insert Set), Trick or Treat (Hobby/Retail Insert Set) and Bathroom Buddies (Blasters). Production is slightly up, and Topps increased the Blaster and Fat Packs to make up for the removal of Gravity Feeds. This means the number of yellows out there could be different than previous releases. The lack of retail breakdown also means we can not determine how many Loaded Sketches or Panoramic Sketches were inserted into packs.

Let’s discuss what we can figure out.

While we can’t figure out the Yellow Phlegm or Purple Jelly parallels, we can determine how many of the other two non-numbered parallels were made. We can also find out how many of the Horror Film Poster bonus inserts were made.

  • Bruised Borders – 60,000 Collector packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 60,000 total Bruised borders / 200 cards in set = 300 per card.
  • Puke Borders – 380,000 Retail packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 380,000 total Puke borders / 200 cards in set = 1900 per card.
  • Horror Film Poster – 60,000 Collector packs  / 24 Odds = 2500 total cards / 10 in set = 250 of each card made.

How do these numbers compare to the previous set, We Hate the 80’s? With the sharpe increase in Collector boxes, the number of Bruised parallels and Horror Film Posters increased. Likewise, with a slight decrease in retail production, the number of green cards is also down slightly, although at 1900 is still quite a bit.

One thing I always find interesting is to determine what pack types the printing plates and artist autographs are hiding? Retail always has the majority of the plates because over 80% of the production is retail, but does that hold true for this release? We know Topps inserted 400 plates and 2,500 autos into production so here is the breakdown of how many can be found in each pack type.

  • Collector Plates – 60,000 packs / 260 odds = 230 plates in Collector packs
  • Retail/Hobby Plates – 380,000 packs / 1320 odds = 288 plates in Retail packs
  • Collector Autos – 60,000 packs / 41 odds = 1463 autos in Collector packs
  • Retail/Hobby Autos – 380,000 packs / 103 odds = 3,689 in Retail/Hobby packs

Wait what? There is a lot that doesn’t make sense with these numbers. Here is a big sticking point in the production numbers. We are going to have to make some serious educated guesses here to make sense of things. Let’s start with the auto numbers. First my methodology. I used 103 as the odds for retail, which is roughly what Hobby/Retail and Blasters are. Remember Fat Packs is basically a double pack, with the odds being 1:42 for autos it still doesn’t quite work out evenly, but it wouldn’t throw the numbers off as much as you see here. Based on the odds, there were over 5,000 autos inserted into packs. We know this isn’t the case because they are numbered /25, so there are a total of 2,500 autos. So why do the odds show double? I think the odds on a lot of the hits are just wrong. Logically looking at the numbers, in order to get down to the 2,500 autos we would have to halve the number of packs produced if the odds were correct. There is no way production was cut in 1/2 for this release. Therefore, the odds must be higher than stated. Here’s another way to look at it. I personally broke a number of cases of each product type. Based on the auto odds I should have received just about 2 autos per retail case, and almost 5 autos per Collector case. That just isn’t what I pulled. Retail cases I got 1 auto in every case, while one case had none. Likewise, with Collector cases I averaged 3 autos not the 4-5 I should have. Therefore, I believe the odds to be incorrect for autos on all pack types. For retail pack types they should probably be doubled. while Collector packs should also be slightly higher.

How about plates? There are a couple of very interesting things to point out. Again I believe the odds are off, albeit slightly. Based on the odds we came up with over 500 plates in the product. That’s not possible because we know only 400 plates were inserted. While the numbers aren’t off as much as autos, they are still off. The other huge change from previous sets is the number of plates found in Collector packs. Odds for Collector packs are a lot easier than the previous set. Before if you wanted a plate, you had to look at retail. With Oh the Horror-ible that isn’t the case. Collectors trying for a plate should bust Collector cases.

Topps has continued their practice of not revealing how many total sketches of each type are inserted into packs. While we can’t figure out all sketch types, there is a few we can determine based on odds.

Shaped Sketches – 60,000 Collector packs / 115 odds = 521 Shaped Sketches in Collector packs.
Regular Sketches – 380,000 Retail/Hobby packs / 247 odds = 1538 Regular Sketches in Retail/Hobby packs
Triptych Sketches – 60,000 Collector packs / 572 odds = 104 Triptych Sketches in Collector packs.

Sketch odds are very similar to the We Hate the 80’s set. That makes sense as production was only slightly up overall. However with production up on Collector boxes the odds are a bit harder than usual. One thing to note about the numbers. The Shaped sketch total for one is higher than it should be. I believe the odds are a little harder than stated. 58 artists were asked to each complete 6 shaped sketches, thats only 348 shaped sketches. We know some probably didn’t get completed or were rejected by Topps. But once again Topps seems to be off on the sketch odds here. Triptych odds however, appear to be close.

While production was only slightly up, this set saw huge changes in production for Topps. Oh the Horror-ible saw the removal of gravity feed boxes, which dramatically changed how many other types of retail packs were produced. Also, strong collector demand brought huge increases to Collector boxes. With only 4 months until the next retail set, We Hate the 90’s, it will be very interesting to see how production is altered. Will the same collector demand be there for We Hate the 90’s, or will Collector production drop down to previous levels? Will the continued absence of Gravity feed boxes affect how will distributors order retail? With GPK at maybe its most popular since the 30th anniversary set, will the momentum continue? It will be fascinating to see the numbers come January for We Hate the 90’s.

Finally, can we figure out how many base cards were produced? Not really, but we can use what we know and give it our best guess! We know Collector packs have 6 base cards per pack now, except for packs containing patches, but that number is so small we will go with 6. Retail/Hobby packs 7 base cards per pack this time around, except for packs containing gold dust, autos, sketches, and plates, but again that number is so small I’m going to go with 7 per pack.

Base Cards – (60,000 Collector packs X 6 cards per pack) + (380,000 Retail/Hobby packs X 7 cards per pack) = 3,020,000 Total Base Cards produced / 200 cards per set = 15,100 Total of each base card.

Of course with a larger set of 200 cards, that means there are less base sets possible with Oh the Horror-ible. Don’t delay, go get some packs of Oh the Horror-ible, buy some popcorn, and pop in a DVD of your favorite horror flick….The Garbage Pail Kids Movie!

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2018S2 GPK Oh the HorroribleIf you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

How Many 2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Cards Were Produced? Part 1

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2018 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible. Part 2 will be posting soon.

Topps got off the a fast start in 2018 with the first retail set We Hate the 80’s. Collectors enjoyed the gags that harkened back to their youth when GPKs first came out in the 80’s. However, once 2018S2 Oh the Horror-ible was announced, collectors almost unanimously were excited to see what Topps could produce. The Horror genre resonates with GPK collectors perhaps more than any other. So would that love for Horror reflect on the production numbers? News on production took a hit shortly after the set was announced and Topps cancelled Gravity Feeds packs due to Target’s lack of interest in ordering. As you will see both the Horror theme and the cancellation of Gravity packs had a large impact on production this year. Lets crunch some numbers!

First my disclaimer! Production numbers are never an exact science, and Topps makes it tough on us. In order to attempt to solve this riddle we need to look very closely at the clues in both the odds and the sell sheets. Some things to keep in mind for this post. 1) Topps doesn’t want the public to know exactly how much of each card was made. Why? No idea really, I think its dumb, but historically Topps only provides enough information to get close. 2) We need to make some assumptions. Those assumptions will be based on the clues we have, but still some guessing has to happen. 3) The odds never quite seem to come out completely equal. However we can round and get pretty close to how much was produced. 4) Topps changes what is printed from what the sell sheet says all the time. This will throw off all our numbers. 5) Keep in mind Topps historically holds back 5% of the print run to cover missing hits, damaged cards, and their No Purchase Necessary program. These numbers would include that 5%. With all that in mind let’s get started…(Warning lots of math coming up. If you don’t want to read about the process, skip to the bottom for the answer sheet!)

To start we need to determine how many packs were made for the entire print run. In order to do that we need a card type where all the odds are exactly the same in Collector and Retail/Hobby packs. In the past this was easy. Historically, Topps has used the same exact odds for both the Gold borders and the Artist autographs. For the most part that stays the same this set, with one exception. For the second set in a row, Topps changed up the Fat Pack Retail pack odds. Usually they are 1/2 of all the other packs, because there is double the amount of cards. So in the past we counted Fat Packs as two packs. Now as you will see below the numbers are slightly off. The only way to possibly take a stab at this is to assume the Fat Pack odds are 1/2 a regular pack. Just keep in mind the odds are slightly easier for the Fat Pack Retail packs, making production numbers actually less than what I have stated in the article. Its not by a lot, but our numbers are off a bit.

Gold borders this time are set at 1:44 packs in Collector, Retail, and Blaster packs. The exception is Fat Pack retail packs, at 1:18, if we double those we still only get 1:36, which is slightly less that it should be. If we assume the odds were printed correctly by Topps, that will throw of our numbers just slightly. In order to come up with an estimate, we will use the 1:44 number. There are 200 base cards in the set, and Gold borders are /50 on the back. Therefore, 200 X 50 number of golds per card = 10,000 total Gold borders X 44 odds = 440,000 total packs made for release. Here’s our first clue that despite cancelling Gravity feed packs, production is slightly up vs. the previous series.

Can we be sure about 440,000 packs being made? We use to be able to double check by using Artist Autographs. However, with this series, Topps made the odds much easier on autos in Collector boxes. We won’t be able to get close. We also can’t use plates for the same reason. We are going to go with the 440,000 as total number of packs. I think its the right number, and other calculations in the article show its a logical choice.

Next we need to try to figure out how many of each pack type was created for the set. Collector packs are always easier to figure out because they have the cards that are exclusive to the set. We need card types that are only in Collector packs, and we know already how many were made. Once again there are three types, Patches, Bloody Red borders, and Spit Blue borders. Here’s what the math looks like on those:

  • Patch Cards – 20 cards in set X 50 made per card = 1000 total patches x 59 odds = 59,000 Collector packs made
  • Bloody Red borders – 200 cards in set X 75 made per card = 15,000 total Red borders X 4 odds = 60,000 Collector packs made
  • Spit Blue borders – 200 cards in set X 99 made per card = 19,800 total Blue borders X 3 odds = 59,400 Collector packs made

This is quite possibly the easiest Collector packs have been to figure out. In the past Topps had to round the odds on red and blue parallels, thus throwing off the numbers just a bit. However, based on actual box breaks it shows the odds are true to form, with an average of 8 blues and 6 reds coming from each box. I’m confident 60,000 is a good number to use for Collector pack production, (Its probably closer to the 59,000 number, but I’m going to use 60,000 to make our calculations easier. This shows that production for Collector packs is up, way up. The hardcore GPK collector came out in a big way to purchase Collector boxes. As you will see below its a 35% increase in production compared to WHT80’s.

How about other pack types? Once again Hobby boxes are nonexistent, and exist in name only. Starting with Adam-Geddon Topps has made Hobby boxes the same as Regular Retail boxes. There are no longer any marks on the packs or boxes that distinguish a Hobby box vs. a Retail display box. Also, the odds are exactly the same. Since all cards types are the same there is no way to tell how many Hobby/Retail boxes were produced. Sadly the same holds true for retail packs. In order to determine how many different types of retail packs were made, we would need a card type that is only in one type of retail pack, and we know how many were made. The only cards types that are individual to retail packs are Loaded Sketches and Panoramic Sketches. Topps no longer releases how many sketches are inserted into each pack type.

So just like with We Hate the 80’s the rest of our discussion will combine all Hobby/Retail pack types into one number. Keep in mind a Fat Pack Retail pack counts as 2 packs in our numbers.

We know there are 60,000 Collector packs. How many Retail/Hobby packs to we have? 440,000 total packs – 60,000 Collector packs = 380,000 Retail/Hobby packs. It would appear with the cancellation of Gravity Feed packs, the production of retail is slightly decreased from WHT80’s. However, one thing that is obvious from looking at the odds is Topps made up quite a bit for cancelling the Gravity feeds by increasing production on both Blaster and Fat Packs. Odds on loaded sketches are 27% tougher than the previous set, and that’s with more sketch artists. Likewise odds for pano sketches are just shy of 25% higher. Even though Gravity feeds were cancelled there isn’t a huge different in retail production.

Here’s what I believe the total production numbers to be for We Hate the 80’s:

  • Total Production – 440,000 Packs
  • Collector – 60,000 Collector Packs or about 2,500 Hobby Boxes or about 312 Collector Cases
  • Retail/Hobby – 380,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

(Once again our numbers are slightly off due to the easier Jumbo Retail odds. So there is actually slightly less retail produced than stated.)

The numbers produce a fascinating story for Topps on the newest GPK set. The good news for Topps? Overall production appears to be up for the first time since the Trashy TV set. This is especially true with Collector pack production. Clearly the Horror theme was well received by GPK collectors, and it showed with their orders. The bad news for Topps? It appears Target is out of the gravity feed business. Is that because of declining consumer demand with GPK? Or is it because of updated store card displays? Whatever the reason, retail production is down overall, albeit not be much. Take a look any the last five sets and the production numbers:

  • Total Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 638,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 459,000
    • Battle of the Bands – 441,000
    • We Hate the 80’s – 439,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 440,000 (0.3% increase in total overall production vs. We Hate the 80’s)
  • Collector Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 35,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 36,000
    • Battle of the Bands – 41,000
    • We Hate the 80’s – 39,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 60,000 (35% increase in Collector production vs. We Hate the 80’s)
  • Retail Pack Production
    • Trashy TV – 550,000
    • Adam-Geddon (Includes Hobby packs) – 423,000
    • Battle of the Bands (Includes Hobby packs) – 400,000
    • We Hate the 80’s (Includes Hobby packs) – 393,000
    • Oh the Horror-ible – 380,000 (3.4% decrease in Retail/Hobby production vs. We Hate the 80’s)

Topps prints to order their product. Which means based on distributor pre-orders, Topps decides how much product to produce. While the numbers show very similar production of Oh the Hour-ible to the previous three sets, that doesn’t tell the whole story. There were some big swings this series with the cancellation of Gravity Feed packs and the huge increase in Collector pack numbers. Topps has already announced there will once again be no Gravity feed packs for the next retail set, 2019S1 We Hate the 90’s. So, will Collector box numbers stay high? Will retail demand increase due to the success of Oh the Horror-ible? A lot of interesting answers ahead next January.

I have a lot of fun trying to figure this stuff out. Let me know your thoughts on the numbers in the comments!

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2018S2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible. In Part 2 we will look at production numbers for all parallel and insert sets. Part 2 will be posted soon.

2018 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible Explained

Its been a long 9 months since the last retail release of GPKs. 2018S1 We Hate the 80’s proved to be very popular with collectors. Collectors enjoyed the gags that harkened back to their childhood when they first collected GPKs. However, if there is one theme that GPK collectors seem to latch onto it’s horror. 2018 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible is out to get both GPK and Horror lovers. Topps is once again sticking to the same formula that has been used for the last number of sets. They slightly increased the base set to 200 cards, that is still broken down into 8 subsets. Collectors continue to be disappointed the cards lack card back artwork, sticker die-cuts, checklists, and numbering is on the back. I will have articles coming in the next few days looking at production numbers. To see the official Topps checklist click here. For now here is what you can find, and where you can find it in 2018 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible.

(Note: I will continue to update this post as new information comes to light and any new parallels/inserts are found.)

  • Base Set – 200 total cards made up of 8 different subsets.
    • 80’s Horror Sticker (15a/b – 30 Total Cards)
    • 80’s Sci-Fi Sticker (10a/b – 20 cards)
    • Modern Horror Sticker (15a/b – 30 cards)
    • Modern Sci-Fi Sticker (5a/b – 10 cards)
    • Classic Film Monster Sticker (15a/b – 30 cards)
    • Retro Horror Sticker (15a/b – 30 cards)
    • Retro Sco-Fi Sticker (15a/b – 30 cards)
    • Folklore Monster Sticker (10a/b – 20 cards)
  • Parallel Sets – Same exact cards from the Base set, except with a different speckled color border.
    • Bruised Border (Dark Blue/Black) – 1:1 – Collector (200 Cards)
    • Spit Border (Light Blue) /99 – 1:3 – Collector (200 Cards)
    • Bloody Nose Border (Red) /75 – 1:4 – Collector (200 Cards)
    • Fool’s Gold Border (Gold) /50 – 1:44 – Retail/Hobby/Collector, 1:18 Retail Fat Packs (200 Cards)
    • Puke Border (Green) – 1:1 – Retail/Hobby (200 Cards)
    • Jelly Border (Purple) – 1:1 – Retail Fat Packs (200 Cards)
    • Phlegm Border (Yellow) – 1:4 – Blaster Packs (200 Cards)
    • Printing Plates – 1:1190 Collector, 1:1317 Blaster, 1:1320 Hobby/Retail, 1:525 Retail Fat Packs (400 Total Plates – 4 per card artwork)
  • Insert Sets – All the various insert subsets that can be found in packs.
    • Horror Film Poster Parodies – 1:24 – Collector (10 Cards)
    • Classic Monster Stickers – 2 Per Retail Fat Pack (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Trick or Treats – 1:3 – Retail/Hobby (10 Cards)
    • Bathroom Buddies – 3 Per Blaster Box (16-18a/b – 6 Total Cards)
    • Patch Card /50 – 1:59 – Collector (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Artist Autograph /25 – 1:41 Collector, 1:103 Hobby/Retail, 1:104 Blaster, 1:42 Retail Fat Packs (100 Total Cards – 1 per card artwork)
    • Sketch Card – 1:248 Hobby/Retail,, 1:247 Blaster, 1:99 Retail Fat Packs (58 Artists)
    • Shaped Sketch – 1:115 – Collector (58 Artists)
    • Triptych Sketch – 1:572 – Collector (58 Artists)
    • Loaded Sketch – 1:108 – Blaster Box (58 Artists)
    • Panoramic Sketch Cards – 1:712 – Retail Fat Packs (58 Artists)

Collector/Hobby Odds for 2018 Series 2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible

Happy release day! Today is the official release day for 2018 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Oh the Horror-ible. Thanks to GPK collector Nikolas Sosa we have the Collector and Hobby pack odds. There are a few things that stick out right away when looking at the odds. Production for Collector boxes appears to be up, way up. However, some of the hits, namely Plates and autos are much easier than the previous set. Expect less patches, with more autos and plates. However, when looking at patch, Triptych, and shaped sketches, there is a lot more Collector boxes out there. Hobby boxes, which are the same a Retail Display box, have very similar odds to what we’ve already shared on the retail side. This means the amount of Spit (Blue) and Bloody Nose (Red) parallels coming out of Collector boxes will be less than usual. Based on one collector’s box breaks, he pulled 8 Spit and 6 Bloddy Nose parallels, which would be true to odds. Previous years those fell at a much higher rate. On the Hobby boxes one thing to note, after telling distributors that Phlegm (yellow) parallels would appear in the Retail/Hobby Display boxes, they are not listed. Instead they only appear to be in Blaster packs. The new Trick or Treat insert appears to be a plentiful pull in 24 pack display boxes. i’ll have more in depth information on total production run in the coming days. Here are the odds for Collector and Hobby/Retail packs.

2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Collector Pack Odds

  • Spit (Blue) 1:3
  • Bloody Nose (Red) 1:4
  • Fools Gold 1:44
  • Printing Plate 1:260
  • Artist Autograph 1:41
  • Horror Film Poster Parodies 1:24
  • Shaped Sketch 1:115
  • Triptych Sketch 1:572
  • Patch Card 1:59

2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Collector Pack Odds

  • Fools Gold 1:44
  • Printing Plate 1:1320
  • Artist Autograph 1:103
  • Trick or Treat 1:3
  • Sketch Card 1:248

Retail Pack Odds for 2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible

Much to the delight of GPK collectors around the country, some Target stores begin stocking retail packs of 2018 Series 2, Oh the Horror-ible today. Collectors found both retail Blasters and Fat packs in stores. Some collectors stated that Target’s system would not allow them to purchase the packs until the official release date next Wednesday, 9/19. However, GPK sketch artist Shane Garvey was able to snag some. Thanks for Shane for pictures of the the packs.

With Gravity Feed boxes being cancelled this set, it will be interesting to see the full spectrum of odds for various retail packs. Based on early analysis, parallels and regular sketches are slightly easier to pull indicating a slightly smaller print run. However the special sketches such as Loaded sketches and Panasonic sketches have much tougher odds than the previous We Hate the 80’s release. This indicates Topps bumped up the printing of Blasters and Fat Packs to make up for the cancellation of Gravity Feeds. The other news to come from early pack odds show Phlegm Yellow borders are listed on the odds for Blaster packs. Will they also appear in 24 pack retail boxes, (also marketed as Hobby boxes)?

I’ll have my usual rundown of production numbers in the coming days once all pack odds are in. Regular retail pack odds will also be added to this post when available. For now here are the odds for Fat Packs and Blasters.

2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Blaster Pack/Box Odds

  • Phlegm 1:4
  • Fools Gold 1:44
  • Printing Plate 1:1317
  • Artist Autograph 1:104
  • Regular Sketch 1:247
  • Loaded Puzzle Sketch 1:108 (Blaster Boxes)

2018S2 GPK Oh the Horror-ible Fat Pack Retail Odds

  • Fools Gold 1:18
  • Printing Plate 1:525
  • Artist Autograph 1:42
  • Regular Sketch 1:99
  • Panoramic Sketch 1:712