How Many 2017 GPK Adam-Geddon Cards Were Produced Part 2

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2017 GPK Adam-Geddon. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

In the first post we looked at how many packs/boxes/cases were produced of 2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. Here’s a review of what we came up with.

  • Total Production – 459,000 Packs
  • Collector – 36,000 Collector Packs or 1500 Hobby Boxes or 187 Collector Cases
  • Retail/Hobby – 423,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

I’ll be using these numbers to try to come up with an idea how many of each type of parallel and insert were created for the set. This will give you a good idea how rare a set is and how quickly you need to snap up that card for your rainbow! I’ll also compare some of this info to the previous sets for reference. As a reminder in addition to using the sell sheet and odds, we will also have to make some assumptions  and flat out guesses when trying to figure some of these out.

So how many of each type of card was made? We can’t figured it out for every type of insert or parallel. Some card types we don’t have enough information. Other times however, Topps is nice enough to tell us exactly how many of a card was produced. Like previous sets, Topps has continued to number many card types. This means we already know most of the parallel and insert numbers already! Makes this post a lot easier! We know Spit /99, Bloody /75, and Fool’s Gold /50 for the parallels, and Patches /50 and Autos /25 for the insert sets!

Still there are some things we just can’t determine. Topps has made it tough on us in recent releases. They no longer share a lot of information on the sell sheets for insertion numbers. This means we can not figure out each different retail pack type. Therefore, there are many retail items that we are unable to determine the production on. For example, the Yellow Pee borders. Since there is no way to break out the number of gravity feed packs from the other retail packs, we can not determine how many Pee borders were made. This also true for the various retail bonus sets; Classic Adamgeddon, Gross Bears, and Bathroom Buddies. However, with production down 28% compared to Prime Slime, there will be a lot less of these sets. The lack of retail breakdown also means we can not determine how many Loaded Sketches or Panoramic Sketches were inserted into packs.

Let’s discuss what we can figure out.

While we can’t figure out the Yellow Pee parallel, we can determine how many of the other two non-numbered parallels were made. We can also find out how many of the Best of the Presidential Election bonus inserts were made.

  • Bruised Borders – 36,000 Collector packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 36,000 total Bruised borders / 180 cards in set = 200 per card.
  • Puke Borders – 423,000 Retail packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 423,000 total Puke borders / 180 cards in set = 2,350 per card.
  • Best of Presidential – 36,000 Collector packs  / 24 Odds = 1500 total cards / 10 in set = 150 of each card made.

Some very interesting things to point out in those numbers. Because there are 1000 more Collector packs compared to Prime Slime, there are actually more Bruised cards this time. However due to production cuts in retail there are now less Puke cards. Perhaps the biggest different is in the Best of Presidential “Bonus” cards. In previous sets you would get one card per Collector & Hobby box. With Topps chasing Hobby boxes to match retail the cards were only available in Collector boxes this time. That means more than a 40% cut in available bonus sets with this release. There can only be 150 Bonus sets possible this time. These cards might dry up quickly.

One thing I always find interesting is to determine what pack types the printing plates and artist autographs are hiding? Retail always had the majority of the plates because over 80% of the production is retail. We know Topps inserted 360 plates into the production, so here is the breakdown of how many can be found in each pack type.

  • Collector Plates – 36,000 packs / 1062 odds = 34 plates in Collector packs
  • Retail/Hobby Plates – 423,000 packs / 1073 odds = 394 plates in Retail packs
  • Collector Autos – 36,000 packs / 168 odds = 214 autos in Collector packs
  • Retail/Hobby Autos – 423,000 packs / 168 odds = 2517 in Retail/Hobby packs

First an explanation on why the numbers for each are higher that they should be. If you remember back in Part 1 of our discussion, I talked about Topps chasing the odds on Jumbo Retail packs this year. Previously the odds would be halved on everything for Jumbo packs, therefore a Jumbo pack would count as 2 packs. However, this time for Plates and Autos that is not the case. Our pack number of 423,000 assumes Jumbos as 2 packs, this is why the numbers come out a little bit more. I think the main thing to point out here is plates will be few and far between in Collector boxes, this is a change from previous releases where they fell at a much higher rate.

Topps has continued their practice of not revealing how many total sketches of each type are inserted into packs. While we can’t figure out all sketch types, there is a few we can determine based on odds.

Shaped Sketches – 36,000 Collector packs / 178 odds = 202 Shaped Sketches in Collector packs.
Regular Sketches – 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs / 326 odds = 1297 Regular Sketches in Retail/Hobby packs
Dial Artist Panoramic – 36,000 Collector packs / 694 odds = 52 Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches in Collector packs.

A couple of things stand out right away. Hobby boxes no longer contain Shaped Sketches, therefore there is more than 60% fewer Shaped sketches in this release. Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches are cut by almost 50% compared to Prime Slime. This matches information shared by the artists when they began drawing the sketches. They were giving far less to draw for this release.

Looking at the numbers for Adam-Geddon really tells a story, but also leaves many unanswered questions. Production was cut way back compared to recent sets. Is interest falling in retail GPK sets? Or is this just distributors over correcting because of over ordering on Prime Slime? Topps has yet to announce the next retail GPK set. It will be interesting to see how the smaller set size coupled with the lower print run affects the next GPK set.

Finally, can we figure out how many base cards were produced? Not really, but we can use what we know and give it our best guess! We know Collector packs have 6 base cards per pack now, except for packs containing patches, but that number is so small we will go with 6. Retail/Hobby packs 7 base cards per pack this time around, except for packs containing gold dust, autos, sketches, and plates, but again that number is so small I’m going to go with 7 per pack.

Base Cards – (36,000 Collector packs X 6 cards per pack) + (423,000 Retail/Hobby packs X 7 cards per pack) = 3,177,000 Total Base Cards produced / 180 cards per set = 17,650 Total of each base card.

While that’s a ton, its down from over 25,000 of each Prime Slime card. Get those sets while you can!!!

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2017 GPK Adam-Geddon. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

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How Many 2017 Adam-Geddon Cards Were Produced? Part 1

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2017 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. Click here for Part 2.

Topps closed out 2016 with a retail Garbage Pail Kids set that was produced in higher numbers than recent sets. The TV show theme didn’t always resonate either, as many complaints came in with collectors not understanding the gags. Throughout the last 10 months, Topps has also gone full steam ahead with various GPK online exclusives. Collectors did seem to be a little more excited when the theme of the first set of 2017 was released. Would the new Adam-Geddon theme with classic characters propel the new set to higher production? Or would over-production and collector apathy result in lower demand? I’m going to attempt to answer those questions in this two part series on the Adam-Geddon production. While Topps has kept a similar format as the previous releases, they still made some pretty major changes this time around. Some of those changes unfortunately makes it even harder to break down specific production numbers. Let’s see what we can actually figure out.

First my disclaimer! Production numbers are never an exact science, and Topps makes it tough on us. In order to attempt to solve this riddle we need to look very closely at the clues in both the odds and the sell sheets. Some things to keep in mind for this post. 1) Topps doesn’t want the public to know exactly how much of each card was made. Why? No idea really, I think its dumb, but historically Topps only provides enough information to get close. 2) We need to make some assumptions. Those assumptions will be based on the clues we have, but still some guessing has to happen. 3) The odds never quite seem to come out completely equal. However we can round and get pretty close to how much was produced. 4) Topps changes what is printed from what the sell sheet says all the time. This will throw off all our numbers. 5) Keep in mind Topps historically holds back 5% of the print run to cover missing hits, damaged cards, and their No Purchase Necessary program. These numbers would include that 5%. With all that in mind let’s get started…(Warning lots of math coming up. If you don’t want to hear about the process, skip to the bottom for the answer sheet!)

First we need to figure out how many packs were made for the entire print run. In order to do that we need to use a card type where all the odds are exactly the same in Hobby, Collector, and Retail packs. Once again there is only one card type that fits that description in this set, the Fool’s Gold borders, at 1:51. Here is what we know, there are 180 cards in the set. Fool’s Gold cards are numbered on the back to /50. Therefore, 180 cards X 50 number of golds per card = 9,000 total Fool’s Gold cards X 51 odds = 459,000 total packs made for the release. This is our first stop along the way where things could go wrong. There is only one card type shared across all pack types with similar odds. As you’ll see in a later discussion, while Autos and Plates are also shared across each pack type, Topps has drastically changed the odds on Jumbo Retail packs, therefore throwing off the numbers. We have to use what we have available to us. I believe this is a good starting point, and gets us on the path to more information.

Now let’s try to figure out how many of each pack type was created for this release. Collector packs are always the easiest to figure out because they always contain cards that are exclusively made for the set. This time there is one type of insert and two parallels that are exclusive to Collector boxes, and are numbered on the back.

  • Patch Cards – 20 cards in set X 50 made per card = 1000 total patches X 36 odds = 36,000 Collector packs made
  • Bloody Red Border – 180 cards in set X 75 made per card = 13,500 total Bloody borders X 3 odds = 40,500 Collector packs made
  • Spit Blue Border – 180 cards in set X 99 made per card = 17,820 total Spit borders X 2 odds = 35,640 Collector packs made

The numbers are very close for two types, but off on the Bloody borders. Here’s why I think they are off. The actual odds for Bloody borders are probably lower than 1:3, but Topps rounds up on the packs. I’m willing to bet most collectors will average more than 8 Bloody borders per collector box, early box results show most boxes with 9 reds. I believe this gives us a good number of Collector packs. I’m going to go with 36,000 for our purposes throughout the rest of our discussion.

Now let’s move onto Hobby packs. Darn you Topps! This was one of the major changes Topps made in the configuration of the product this year. Hobby packs are basically Retail packs now. There is nothing to distinguish a Hobby pack from a basic Retail pack. In previous releases we could use a card type that Hobby and Collector packs shared, that we also knew the print run of. Since that no longer exists, and we can’t tell the difference in packs, there is no way to determine how many Hobby packs were produced. While this is frustrating, it won’t stop our quest! For the rest of our discussion I will combine Hobby packs into Retail packs.

We know we have 36,000 Collector packs. So how many Retail/Hobby packs do we have? 459,000 total packs – 36,000 Collector packs = 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs. While that’s a lot of packs, is significantly less than previous releases. One way I use to be able to double check my numbers was to use another card type that is in all pack types, where we know the print run. There are two types that fit that description, Autos and Plates. Let’s looks at the numbers for both types.

  • 90 autos in set * 25 print run = 2,250 total autos * 168 odds = 378,000 total packs
  • 360 total plates * 1070 Avg. odds = 385,000 total packs

What a second….that’s a lot less total packs than what we came up with earlier. We can’t use these numbers because of another change Topps made on the odds. In previous releases the Jumbo Retail packs counted as 2 regular packs. All the odds on Jumbo packs would be exactly half of a regular pack. So it made it very easy to just count each Jumbo pack as 2 packs. With Adam-Geddon only Fool’s Gold and Sketch cards have the odds halved. The Plate and Auto odds are the same as other retail packs. That tells us plates and autos will be much harder to pull in Jumbo retail than regular retail packs. It also explains why the total pack numbers are lower when we use these numbers above. Its only counting the Jumbo packs as 1 pack, which makes sense based on the odds.

That leaves us with 423,000 Retail/Hobby packs. We can however deduce from the number above there is right around 45,000 Jumbo packs produced. We aren’t however able to break down the pack distribution any further with this series. We don’t know the total print run of the various sketch types. Those are the only other different card type inserted into packs. So the best we can do is come up with a total retail pack number of 423,000.

Here’s what I believe the total production numbers to be for Adam-Geddon:

  • Total Production – 459,000 Packs
  • Collector – 36,000 Collector Packs or 1500 Hobby Boxes or 187 Collector Cases
  • Retail/Hobby – 423,000 Retail/Hobby Packs

(Once again my numbers could be off. We had to make some assumptions and trust the sell sheets and odds. But I’m confident these numbers are really close.)

So what does this all mean? Production is way down compared to the previous set, Prime Slime Trashy TV. This looks to be the lowest set produced since I started running the numbers. Take a look at the last three sets and the production numbers:

  • Total Pack Production
    • Apple Pie – 484,000
    • Trashy TV – 638,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 459,000 (28% decrease in total overall production vs. Trashy TV)
  • Collector Pack Production
    • Apple Pie – 36,500
    • Trashy TV – 35,000
    • Adam-Geddon – 36,000 (3% increase vs. Trashy TV)
  • Retail Pack Production
    • Apple Pie – 408,500
    • Trashy TV – 550,000
    • Adam-Geddon (Includes Hobby packs) – 423,000 (23% decrease vs. Trashy TV, that includes hobby packs added in)

Topps prints to order their product. Which means based on distributor pre-orders, Topps decides how much product to produce. The numbers tell me this set was under ordered compared to previous releases. It shows collectors continue to purchase Collector cases in similar numbers. However, retail orders appear to be down significantly from previous sets. Topps made other changes as well that affects the print run. The base set is almost 20% smaller than previous sets. Topps also changed the number of cards in a pack, to 8 across the board. As you will see in part two all this changes how many of each card type exists.

All fun stuff to think about as you bust into those new packs! Let me know your thoughts on the numbers in the comments!

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2017 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. In Part 2 we will look at production numbers for all parallel and insert sets. Part 2 can be found here.

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2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon Explained

After only a three month break, Topps has released the next retail set, 2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. The theme is a welcomed and major departure from the last GPK offering, Prime Slime Trashy TV. This set’s theme focuses on classic GPK characters in end-of-world scenarios. Topps is continuing with the same format for the base sets that started a couple of years ago. This time however, the set size is smaller. The 180 card set is comprised of 9 subsets. The base cards continue to lack card back artwork, sticker die-cuts, and numbering is on the back. Once again there are no checklist cards for the base set. Production for this set appears to be down compared to previous releases. I will have the usual articles taking a stab at production numbers in a few days. Click here for the official checklist Topps released. Here is what you can find, and where you can find it in 2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon.

(Note: I will continue to update this post as new information comes to light and any new parallels/inserts are found.)

  • Base Set – 180 total cards made up of 9 different subsets.
    • Alien Invasion (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Apocalypse (12a/b – 24 Total Cards)
    • Bio & Tech (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • Dumb Deaths (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Monsters (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Natural Disasters (18a/b – 36 Total Cards)
    • Nuclear (18a/b – 36 Total Cards)
    • Pollution (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • The Plagues (9a/b – 18 Total Cards)
  • Parallel Sets – Same exact cards from the Base set, except with a different speckled color border.
    • Bruised Border (Dark Blue/Black) – 1:1 – Collector (180 Cards)
    • Spit Border (Light Blue) /99 – 1:3 – Collector (180 Cards)
    • Bloody Nose Border (Red) /75 – 1:2 – Collector (180 Cards)
    • Fool’s Gold Border (Gold) /50 – 1:51 – Retail/Hobby/Collector (180 Cards)
    • Puke Border (Green) – 1:1 – Retail/Hobby (180 Cards)
    • Pee Border (Yellow) – 1:4 – Target Retail Gravity Feed (180 Cards)
    • Printing Plates – 1:1062 Collector, 1:1063 Hobby, 1:1080 Retail, 1:1076 Retail Jumbo, 1:1073 Gravity Feed (360 Total Plates – 4 per card artwork)
  • Insert Sets – All the various insert subsets that can be found in packs.
    • Best of the Presidential Election – 1:24 – Collector (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Classic Adamgeddon – 2 Per Jumbo Retail (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Gross Bears – 3 Per SE Blaster Box (11-15,L3 – 6 Total Cards)
    • Bathroom Buddies – 3 Per EA Blaster Box (7-9a/b – 6 Total Cards)
    • *Adam Bomb’s Armageddon – 2 Per Blister Pack (2a/b – 4 Total cards) *On sell sheet, not on checklist. Has not appeared in stores yet.*
    • Patch Card /50 – 1:36 – Collector (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Artist Autograph /25 – 1:168 Collector, Hobby, Retail (90 Total Cards – 1 per card artwork)
    • Sketch Card – 1:326 – Hobby/Retail (38 Artists)
    • Shaped Sketch – 1:178 – Collector (38 Artists)
    • Double Artist Panoramic Sketch – 1:694 – Collector (?? Artists)
    • Loaded Sketch – 1:75 – Blaster Box (38 Artists)
    • Panoramic Sketch Cards – 1:637 – Jumbo Retail (38 Artists)
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2017 Series 1 GPK Adam-Geddon Retail Odds

Thanks to eBay member cardgarys for the following pictures the Jumbo Retail and Blaster Box packs for 2017 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon. Thanks to Clint at GPK & Wacky Warehouse for the picture of the Gravity feed pack odds.

A few interesting things to point out on the odds. Historically Jumbo packs odds are 1/2 of a regular retail pack. This is because there are twice as many cards in a Jumbo pack. This isn’t the case this time, except with the Gold borders and Sketch cards. This leads me to believe the hits will be very hard to pull from Jumbo packs. On the positive side all other odds are easier compared to Prime Slime. Gold borders, Autos, and Sketch cards are all a little bit easier pulls this time around. Coupled with the set size being a smaller 180, this leads me to believe retail production is down quite a bit compared to the previous release. I will have a full rundown of production in a few days after I’m able to run the numbers.

2017 GPK Adam-Geddon Retail Blaster Pack/Box Odds

  • Fool’s Gold 1:51
  • Printing Plate 1:1080
  • Artist Autograph 1:168
  • Sketch Card 1:326
  • Loaded Sketch Card 1:75 Blaster Boxes

2017 GPK Adam-Geddon Retail Jumbo Pack Odds

  • Fool’s Gold 1:26
  • Printing Plate 1:1076
  • Artist Autograph 1:168
  • Sketch Card 1:163
  • Panoramic Sketch Card 1:637

2017 GPK Adam-Geddon Gravity Feed Pack Odds

  • Pee 1:4
  • Fool’s Gold 1:51
  • Printing Plate 1:1073
  • Artist Autograph 1:168
  • Sketch Card 1:326

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2017 Series 1 GPK Adam-Geddon Collector & Hobby Odds

There’re out! Collectors have begun to see the next retail series, 2017 Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids Adam-Geddon, in stores and hobby shops. Thanks to collector Ke We we have the picture below of the Collector pack odds. Thanks also to collector Stephen Hiteshew for the Hobby pack odds.

Many interesting tidbits by looking at the Collector pack odds. Spit parallels are twice as easy to pull in Collector packs, due to them not appearing in Hobby packs this time. Bloody Nose are the same rate, while Gold parallels are slightly easier. However, major hits are extremely tough compared to previous releases. Plates are almost 5x tougher to pull, Dual artist sketches 2x tougher to pull, Shaped sketches are a little tougher, while patches are similar. This leads me to believe a couple of things. 1) There are many less sketches inserted this time around compared to Prime Slime, which we saw in what was issues to artists to complete. 2) Plates have been moved to a different pack type almost completely. 3) Print run of at least collector boxes look to be similar to previous release.

A couple of other notes. There are 20 patch cards this time, 10a/b all /50. That means the same number of patches exist, just more to put a set together. Also Topps decided to cut the set to 180 cards. Not sure why the cut, but this leads me to believe total production will be down by 20% this time around. I will have a breakdown of production numbers in the coming days once I can run the numbers.

When looking at the pack odds for Hobby packs, what was described in the sell sheets is indeed true. Hobby packs are basically the same as Retail packs. All the odds are the same for each pack type, except for printing plates, which are very close. Hobby packs might be the worst buy this time since you don’t get any extra bonus or parallel cards. Very disappointing to see Topps take this route with Hobby boxes. Take note of the odds when making your purchase decisions.

Adam-Geddon Collector Pack Odds:

  • Spit 1:2
  • Bloody Nose 1:3
  • Fools Gold 1:51
  • Printing Plate 1:1062
  • Artist Autograph 1:168
  • Best of the 2016 Presidential Election 1:24
  • Shaped Sketch 1:178
  • Dual Artist Panoramic Sketch 1:694
  • Patch Card 1:36

Adam-Geddon Hobby Pack Odds:

  • Fool’s Gold 1:51
  • Printing Plate 1:1063
  • Artist Autograph 1:168
  • Sketch Card 1:326

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How Many 2016 Prime Slime Trashy TV Cards Were Produced? Part 2

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2016 GPK Prime Slime Trashy TV. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

packfrontIn the first post we looked at how many packs/boxes/cases were produced of 2016 Garbage Pail Kids Prime Slime Trashy TV. Here’s a review of what we came up with.

  • Total Production – 638,000 Packs
  • Hobby – 52,000 Hobby Packs or 2167 Hobby boxes or 270 Hobby Cases
  • Collector – 35,000 Collector Packs or 1458 Hobby Boxes or 182 Collector Cases
  • Retail – 550,000 Retail Packs

I’ll be using these numbers to try to come up with an idea how many of each type of parallel and insert were created for the set. This will give you a good idea how rare a set is and how quickly you need to snap up that card for your rainbow! I’ll also compare some of this info to the previous sets for reference. As a reminder in addition to using the sell sheet and odds, we will also have to make some assumptions  and flat out guesses when trying to figure some of these out.

So how many of each type of card was made? We can’t figured it out for every type of insert or parallel. Some card types we don’t have enough information. Other times however, Topps is nice enough to tell us exactly how many of a card was produced. Like with the Apple Pie set, Topps decided to number many of the inserts and parallels. This means we already know most of the parallel and insert numbers already! Makes this post a lot easier! We know Spit /99, Bloody /75, and Fool’s Gold /50 for the parallels, and Relics /50, Patches /99, Autos /25 for the insert sets!

Still there are some things we just can’t determine. As mentioned previously, Topps has made it more difficult on us this time around. The sell sheets no longer reveal the number of each type of sketch inserted into each pack type. This means we can not figure out each different retail pack type. Therefore, there are many retail items that we are unable to determine the production on. For example, the Yellow Pee borders. Since there is no way to break out the number of gravity feed packs from the other retail packs, we can not determine how many Pee borders were made. This also true for the various retail bonus sets; Classic Re-runs, Gross Bears, Bathroom Buddies, and Adam Bomb Your TV. However with production up in retail 26% over Apple you can be assured there are many more of all of these compared to the Apple Pie release. The lack of retail breakdown also means we can not determine how many Loaded Sketches or Panoramic Sketches were inserted into packs.

Let’s discuss what we can figure out.

While we can’t figure out the Yellow Pee parallel, we can determine how many of the other two non-numbered parallels were made. We can also find out how many of the Wacky bonus inserts were made.

  • Bruised Borders – 35,000 Collector packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 35,000 total Bruised borders / 220 cards in set = 159 per card.
  • Puke Borders – 550,000 Retail packs X 1 Odds (doh) = 550,000 total Puke borders / 220 cards in set = 2,500 per card.
  • Wacky Packages – 35,000 Collector packs + 52,000 Hobby packs = 87,000 total packs / 24 Odds = 3625 total cards / 8 in set = 453 of each card made.

Compared to the Apple Pie set, Puke borders and Wacky’s have increased quite a bit due to production increases. Bruised borders is actually down just slightly.

One thing I always find interesting is where are all the plates hiding? Retail always had the majority of the plates because over 80% of the production is retail. We can also use plates to check our pack numbers to see if we are close. We know Topps inserted 440 plates into the production, so here is the breakdown of how many can be found in each pack type.

Collector Plates – 35,000 packs / 288 odds = 122 plates in Collector packs
Hobby Plates – 52,000 / 1792 odds = 29 plates in Hobby packs
Retail Plates – 550,000 / 1849 odds = 297 plates in Retail packs

The math looks close, that comes out to 448 total plates. There are only 180 or so Collector cases, so looking at the odds 2/3 of the cases will produce a plate. Hobby boxes continue to get the shaft. Topps has deemphasized the Hobby box the last few releases. The odds are just as long as retail, and there isn’t much extra content. Based on sell sheets for the next release, Adam-Geddon, Hobby boxes will make the complete transformation and will match Retail packs. We can also tell how many artist autos are in each pack type.

  • 35,000 Collector packs / 96 Odds = 365 autos in Collector packs
  • 52,000 Hobby packs / 245 Odds = 212 autos in Hobby packs
  • 2750 total autos – 365 Collector autos – 212 Hobby autos = 2173 autos in Retail packs

While Topps for the first time didn’t reveal sketch numbers on the sell sheet, we can figure out the number of Shaped and Regular sketches inserted into pack based on the odds.

  • Shaped Sketches
  • Collector – 35,000 Collector packs / 144 odds = 243 Shaped Sketches in Collectors packs
  • Hobby – 52,000 Hobby packs / 165 odds = 315 Shaped Sketches in Hobby packs
  • Dial Panos – 35,000 Collector packs / 352 odds = 100 Dual Artist Panoramic Sketches in Collector packs

Digging into the numbers for Prime Slime Trashy TV tells a familiar story. Topps has gone with the same set design now for three releases. So, the numbers look very similar to both the Apple Pie and 30th Anniversary sets. While Topps is stickling with the same set make-up for the next set, Adam-Geddon, they are drastically changing cards per pack and price point. It will be interesting to see how those changes affect production the next go around.

Finally, can we figure out how many base cards were produced? Not really, but we can use what we know and give it our best guess! We know Collector packs have 4 base cards per pack, except for patch and relic packs, but that number is so small we will go with 4. Hobby packs have 9 or 10 base cards per pack this time around. When you account for inserts and parallels, I think we can use 9.5 base cards per Hobby pack. Retail packs have 9 cards per pack, except for packs containing gold dust, autos, sketches, and plates, but again that number is so small I’m going to go with 9 per pack.

Base Cards – (35,000 Collector packs X 4 cards per pack) + (52,000 Hobby packs X 9.5 cards per pack) + (550,000 Retail packs X 9 cards per pack) = 5,584,000 Total Base Cards produced / 220 cards per set = 25,382 Total of each base card.

These are going to be around for a while!!!

This is Part 2 of a two part series on the production of 2016 GPK Prime Slime Trashy TV. If you missed Part 1 you can go here to catch up.

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How Many 2016 Prime Slime Trashy TV Cards Were Produced? Part 1

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2016 Garbage Pail Kids Prime Slime Trashy TV. Part 2 can be found here.

packfrontAfter a very successful 30th Anniversary Garbage Pail Kids set to close out 2015, Topps dialed back production on the first set of 2016 Apple Pie. However, following the Apple Pie release, Topps has used the Garbage Pail Kids brand in many different ways. Exclusive online only sets have been popular with collectors. While Topps was also said to be very happy with the sell through on the Apple Pie set. Would the online expansion of the GPK brand lead to higher production in the final set of 2016? That’s what I’m going to try to answer in this article and another one to follow. Topps has made it easy on us by keeping the set almost identical to the Apple Pie release, and continue to number many of the parallels and inserts. There is still a lot to attempt to figure out, and its not going to be easy as Topps has started to limit the amount of information available on the sell sheet. But, let’s give it a shot anyway!

First my disclaimer! Production numbers are never an exact science, and Topps makes it tough on us. In order to attempt to solve this riddle we need to look very closely at the clues in both the odds and the sell sheets. Some things to keep in mind for this post. 1) Topps doesn’t want the public to know exactly how much of each card was made. Why? No idea really, I think its dumb, but historically Topps only provides enough information to get close. 2) We need to make some assumptions. Those assumptions will be based on the clues we have, but still some guessing has to happen. 3) The odds never quite seem to come out completely equal. However we can round and get pretty close to how much was produced. 4) Topps changes what is printed from what the sell sheet says all the time. This will throw off all our numbers. 5) Keep in mind Topps historically holds back 5% of the print run to cover missing hits, damaged cards, and their No Purchase Necessary program. These numbers would include that 5%. With all that in mind let’s get started…(Warning lots of math coming up. If you don’t want to hear about the process, skip to the bottom for the answer sheet!)

First we need to figure out how many packs were made for the entire print run. In order to do that we need to use a card type where all the odds are exactly the same in Hobby, Collector, and Retail packs. Once again there is only one card type that fits that description in this set, the Fool’s Gold borders, at 1:58. Here is what we know, there are 220 cards in the set. Fool’s Gold cards are numbered on the back to /50. Therefore, 220 cards X 50 number of golds per card = 11,000 total Fool’s Gold cards X 58 odds = 638,000 total packs made for the release. This is our first stop along the way where things could go wrong. There is only one card type shared across all pack types, so we don’t have a way to double check the numbers. Topps could have always held more Gold borders back, or the odds could be wrong. We have to use what we have available to us. I believe this is a good starting point, and gets us on the path to more information.

collectorpackNow let’s try to figure out how many of each pack type was created for this release. Collector packs are always the easiest to figure out because they always contain cards that are exclusively made for the set. This time there are two types of inserts and one parallel that are exclusive to Collector boxes, and are numbered on the back.

  • Artist Relics – 4 cards in set X 50 made per card = 200 total relics X 175 odds = 35,000 Collector packs made
  • Patch Cards – 10 cards in set X 99 made per card = 990 total patches X 35 odds = 34,650 Collector packs made
  • Bloody Red Border – 220 cards in set X 75 made per card = 16,500 total Bloody borders X 2 odds = 33,000 Collector packs made

The numbers come out pretty close across the board. Why don’t they match? Well, that’s a Topps mystery. Like I mentioned above the odds never work out exact. On the bloody borders, I’m willing to bet the odds aren’t exact, but rather some rounding on Topps part. I think this gives us a good number of Collector packs. I’m going to go with the 35,000 number for our purposes throughout the rest of the discussion.

hobbyoddsNow lets move onto Hobby packs. This is where things get sticky, and Topps is really making it hard on us this time around. In order to figure out Hobby packs we need a card type that is shared by both Hobby and Collector packs, and we need to know how many of that card exists. Before, we could use shaped sketch cards to figure this out. However, Topps has changed the way sell sheets are done. They no longer reveal number of sketches inserted into packs. This causes some problems, and now prevents us from figuring out some numbers. The only thing we can use is the Spit borders. We know there are /99 of each. Since we know how many Collector packs there are, we should be able to figure out the number of hobby packs.

  • Spit Borders 220 cards in set X 99 made per card = 21,780 total spit borders X 4 odds = 87,120 total Hobby/Collector packs
  • 87,120 total Hobby/Collector packs – 35,000 Collector packs = 52,120 total Hobby packs

Let’s round down to 52,000 for Hobby packs. I have a couple of problems with this number. First off, I am confident of the 87,120 number for total Hobby/Collector packs being correct. However, 52,000 Hobby packs? That seems like a lot to me. That is a lot of hobby packs, especially compared to the Apple Pie release. How can that high of a number be explained? One theory I have could have to do with pre-order price. Before orders were due from distributors, the large online sellers; Blowout Cards, Steel City, DA Cards, etc. all had Collector boxes/cases for sale at very high prices. Higher than any previous set. The price didn’t make sense as the wholesale price from Topps didn’t increase set over set. It wasn’t until closer to release did the online retailers lower their prices back to “normal” levels for Collector products. Hobby boxes/cases however were selling for the usual amount. I’m starting to think collectors who usually order from online dealers put their money into Hobby rather than pay a premium for Collector boxes this time around. Another thing that could slightly be throwing the Hobby number off is actual pull rates of Spit and Bloody parallels. Some collectors have reported varying levels of pull rates not equal to the odds on Bloody parallels. Could this mean there are a few more Collector packs, and therefore less Hobby packs? Maybe, but then we have the Relic and Patch numbers that say otherwise.

gravitypackOnce again, its always a guessing game with Topps. We can only go by the information we have. So for our discussion going forward we will use 35,000 Collector packs, and 52,000 Hobby packs. Now let’s focus on retail. We determined above that there were 638,000 total packs produced. We could simply go 638,000 – 35,000 Collector packs – 52,000 Hobby packs = 550,880 retail packs. We can check our math by using another card type that is in both Hobby/Collector and Retail packs, the Artist Autographs. How many autos are in the set? 110 cards (1 per artwork) X 25 autos per card = 2750 total autos. Let’s look at the odds and see how that breaks down per pack type.

  • 35,000 Collector packs / 96 Odds = 365 autos in Collector packs
  • 52,000 Hobby packs / 245 Odds = 212 autos in Hobby packs
  • 2750 total autos – 365 Collector autos – 212 Hobby autos = 2173 autos in Retail packs
  • 2173 Retail autos X 245 odds = 532,385 Total retail packs.

532,385 and 550,880 are pretty close considering the large number of packs. This is one of the reasons why I’m confident we are on the right track with the production numbers for the set. I’m going to go with 550,000 total Retail packs as the number we use going forward.

With the Apple pie set I was able to go even further and figure out how many Jumbo Retail, and Blaster boxes were created. However, like I mentioned above, because Topps no longer reveals how many sketches of each type are inserted, I have no way of breaking down the information further. Sure I could try to figure out how many Loaded and Panoramic sketches there are. There were 34 sketch artists, but did all artists really submit 9 Loaded sketches? And were they all approved by Topps, and inserted into the product? Only Topps knows that information, and they aren’t talking.

So we end up with 550,000 total retail packs. This includes Jumbo retail, Gravity feeds, Blaster boxes, Blister packs, and regular retail boxes. You will want to note that Jumbo Retail packs count as 2 regular packs on the odds for Topps. So you will want to take that into account.

Here’s the bottom line. I’m pretty confident that these numbers are close. Here is what I believe to be the production for each type of pack:

  • Total Production – 638,000 Packs
  • Hobby – 52,000 Hobby Packs or 2167 Hobby boxes or 270 Hobby Cases
  • Collector – 35,000 Collector Packs or 1458 Hobby Boxes or 182 Collector Cases
  • Retail – 550,000 Retail Packs

(Once again my numbers could be off. We had to make some assumptions and trust the sell sheets and odds. But I’m confident these numbers are really close.)

So what does this all mean? What stands out to me right away is production is up, BIG, compared to the Apple Pie release. In fact the production numbers look very similar to the 30th Anniversary set from 2015. Take a look at the last three sets and the production numbers:

  • Total Pack Production
    • 30th – 669,000
    • Apple Pie – 484,000
    • Trashy TV – 638,000 (25% increase in production over Apple Pie)
  • Hobby Pack Production
    • 30th – 51,000
    • Apple Pie – 39,000
    • Trashy TV – 52,000 (25% increase in production over Apple Pie)
  • Collector Pack Production
    • 30th – 41,000
    • Apple Pie 36,500
    • Trashy TV – 35,000 (5% decrease in production over Apple Pie)
  • Retail Pack Production
    • 30th – 577,000
    • Apple Pie – 408,500
    • Trashy TV – 550,000 (26% increase in production over Apple Pie)

Topps prints to order their product. Which means based on distributor pre-orders, Topps decides how much product to produce. It would appear Excell really increased retail orders for this set, and customers bought a lot more hobby boxes than before. As the odds point out all inserts will be a lot harder to find when busting packs. The one thing Topps did increase was the number of sketch artists and number of sketches inserted. However, because of the large production increase sketches are also slight tougher to pull.

All fun stuff to think about as you bust into those new packs! Let me know your thoughts on the numbers in the comments!

This is Part 1 of a two part series on the production of 2016 Garbage Pail Kids Prime Slime Trashy TV. In Part 2 we will look at production numbers for all parallel and insert sets. Part 2 can be found here.

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2016 Prime Slime Trashy TV Blister Packs Out

img_0226Thanks to GPK collector Mike Gatz, who looks to be the first one to find Prime Slime Blister packs in the wild. Mike found them at his local Walmart. Topps changed up the Blister pack format this set, the packs. now come with 2 packs, in addition to 2 Adam Bomb Your TV bonus stickers. The Walmart price was $4.97 per Blister. The odds on the back of the Blister are the same as a regular retail pack. Here are a couple of pictures of the packs and the bonus cards.

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2016 Garbage Pail Kids Trashy TV Explained

image002After a 9 month break Garbage Pail Kids are back with 2016 Series 2 Garbage Pail Kids Prime Slime Trashy TV set. While the theme is completely different this time around, the construction of the set is almost identical to the 2016 Series 1 GPK American as Apple Pie set. The themed base set continues with a 220 card base set made up of subsets. However, for the first time the entire base set is based on TV shows, there are no “regular” kids this time around. The base cards continue to lack card back artwork, sticker die-cuts, and numbering is on the back. Once again there are no checklist cards for the base set. Production for this set is up a lot on the Retail side, while Hobby/Collector packs remain similar. I will have the usual articles taking a stab at production numbers in a few days. Click here for the official checklist Topps released. Here is what you can find, and where you can find it in 2016 GPK Trashy TV.

(Note: I will continue to update this post as new information comes to light and any new parallels/inserts are found.)

  • Base Set – 220 total cards made up of 16 different subsets.
    • Comic Book TV Series (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • Horror TV Series (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • Crime TV Series (6a/b – 12 Total Cards)
    • Reboot TV Series (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • Cartoon TV Series (7a/b – 14 Total Cards)
    • Streaming TV Series (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Reality TV Series (12a/b – 24 Total Cards)
    • Food TV Series (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • Syndicated TV Series (8a/b – 16 Total Cards)
    • News Show (6a/b – 12 Total Cards)
    • Comedy TV Series (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Game Show (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Drama TV Series (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
    • Late Night TV Show (4a/b – 8 Total Cards)
    • Sci-Fi TV Series (10a/b – 20 Total Cards)
    • Daytime Talk Show (5a/b – 10 Total Cards)
  • Parallel Sets – Same exact cards from the Base set, except with a different speckled color border.
    • Bruised Border (Dark Blue/Black) – 1:1 – Collector (220 Cards)
    • Spit Border (Light Blue) /99 – 1:4 – Hobby/Collector (220 Cards)
    • Bloody Nose Border (Red/Pink) /75 – 1:2 – Collector (220 Cards)
    • Fool’s Gold Border (Gold) /50 – 1:58 – Retail/Hobby/Collector (220 Cards)
    • Puke Border (Green) – 1:1 – Retail (220 Cards)
    • Pee Border (Yellow) – 1:4 – Target Retail Gravity Feed (220 Cards)
    • Printing Plates – 1:288 Collector, 1:1792 Hobby, 1:1849 Retail, 1:996 Retail Jumbo (440 Total Plates – 4 per card artwork)
  • Insert Sets – All the various insert subsets that can be found in packs.
    • GPK Wacky Packages – 1:24 – Hobby/Collector (8 Total Cards)
    • Classic Rerun – 2 Per Jumbo Retail (9a/b – 18 Total Cards)
    • Gross Bears – 3 Per SE Blaster Box (6-10,L2 – 6 Total Cards)
    • Bathroom Buddies – 3 Per EA Blaster Box (4-6a/b – 6 Total Cards)
    • Adam Bomb/Boom Your TV – 2 Per Blister Pack (2a/b – 4 Total cards)
    • Patch Card /99 – 1:35 – Collector (10 Total Cards)
    • Artist Relics /50 – 1:175 – Collector (4 Total Cards)
    • Artist Autograph /25 – 1:96 Collector, 1:245 Hobby/Retail (110 Total Cards – 1 per card artwork)
    • Sketch Card – 1:379 – Retail (34 Artists)
    • Shaped Sketch – 1:165 Hobby 1:144 – Collector (34 Artists)
    • Double Artist Panoramic Sketch – 1:352 – Collector (34 Artists)
    • Loaded Sketch – 1:75 – Blaster Box (34 Artists)
    • Panoramic Sketch Cards – 1:991 – Jumbo Retail (34 Artists)
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Hobby & Collector Odds for GPK Prime Slime Trashy TV

packfrontThanks to GPK collectors Laura Ross and Ke We for sending along the Collector and Hobby Pack odds. A few things to highlight based on the Collector odds. Bloody Red parallels return to Collector packs, numbered /75 just like the Apple Pie release. Topps made no mention of these on the sell sheet. In another change, the Bloody red border cards are either pink or red depending on the card number. The red borders are the “a” cards while the pink borders are the “b” cards. This repeats a trend started in the Apple Pie series with the Black/Blue Bruised border cards. Topps has also changed  the numbering on Patches and Relics. Patches are now numbered /99, meaning there are twice as many of those compared to previous releases. It will be much easier to put that insert set together. However, the artist shirt relics are now only /50. With only 4 versions on the checklist, those will be very hard to come by.

Overall it seems Collector box production is on par compared to the Apple Pie release. Odds are a little tougher for card types that are shared across packs like the gold parallel, autos, and plates compared to the Apple Pie set, but that is due to retail production being increased significantly. Card types exclusive to Collector packs are either the same as Apple Pie like with the Shaped Sketch cards, or slightly lower with the Dual Artist sketches. Given there are more sketches available this time around, I’m guessing production is very close compared to the Apple Pie release.

Hobby boxes don’t have any surprises. Everything expected in Hobby packs are there. Production for Hobby boxes, like Collector boxes, appears to be right around the same as the Apple Pie series. I’ll have a complete breakdown next week with two articles taking a stab at production numbers for Prime Slime Trashy TV

Here are the pack odds for 2016 Prime Slime Trashy TV Collector:

Spit – 1:4
Bloody Nose – 1:2
Fool’s Gold – 1:58
Printing Plate – 1:288
Artist Autograph – 1:96
GPK Wacky Packages 1:24
Shaped Sketch Card – 1:144
Dual Artist Panoramic Sketch Card – 1:352
Patch Card – 1:35
Artist Relic 1:175

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Here are the pack odds for 2016 Prime Slime Trashy TV Hobby:

Spit – 1:4
Fool’s Gold – 1:58
Printing Plate – 1:1792
Artist Autograph – 1:245
GPK Wacky Packages – 1:24
Shaped Sketch Card – 1:165

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